then the kenyan government came out saying they had control over the mall. but there were an unknown number of gunmen that were possibly still inside and no clear indication as to what may have happened to the hostage as. we're right around the corner from where the mall is. there's a makeshift triage center. they have not actually been able, they're telling us today, to access the building it ever is. >> before we go, we've heard reports that terrorists were killing non-muslims. they asked a man, are you muslim he said yes. they said what about the mother, he said he didn't know and they shot him in the hid. what can you tell us about the situation? >> reporter: well, we actually met a couple earlier today who were in fact a husband and wife, our radio presenter time, and they were, of all things, hosting a cooking show for