impossible to believe. did race play a role? >> did race -- does race play a role in our everyday lives? the second that a black person and a white person enter america and have american citizenship, they are conditioned from the second they are born to have totally different experiences. so i mean the idea that race played a role in the case, yes, it played a role in the case. he's on the tape saying f'ing coons. automatically it got racial. it definitely played a role in the jury. the situation is that the defense just had to pull out the fear that white america is conditioned to feel about black men. they're scared of black men. not because they feel this way intrinsically because they're conditioned to feel this way. all the defense had to do was tap into that fear and instantly george zimmerman is sympathetic. they're sympathetic to him and trayvon martin is instantly the aggressor until proven otherwise. and trayvon martin was on trial. >> stephanie, let me ask you about this issue. when you look at the jury, we were just talking about the man who worked for george zimmerman's side in selecting and he said with that juror b-37