differentiates this particular case from the dugard case, to the hornbec case is that this is a situation where the individuals themselves affected their own release. amanda berry was not to be denied in this. this was very unusual and very different. here's what i was thinking. that, you know, we've had six months of inclement and treacherous weather in this country. we had a mass shooting that took the lives of many, many which i shall. children. we had a terrorist attack that killed people and sorried in a horrible way one of our premier sporting events. we've had a fert liezer plant blow up like an atomic bomb. we have a completely ineffective government. this is the tonic america night right now to feel good about itself. >> it is a miracle. what is your understanding about what thought?