it was a chance encounter on the walking on the street if rome as i was there during the last few days of the pontiffication. >> interesting though when you describe how he had the rosary and then touched him. that he was, is such a holy man. i want to ask you about where he stands on other issues. when we talk about reform, he opposed same-sex marriage in argentina. he opposed free contraception. he lost those battles in argentina. they give a sense wrf he stands. so when people hear reform, they think reform on issues like that. it doesn't sound like he will do that sort of reform or am i wrong? >> well, you know, erin, when the cardinals say reform and many of them going into this enclave were saying we need a reformer. they meant a reformer to clean up the government here in rome. whether changing doctrine that, was never on the table. these men basically agree on all