if there's reasonable suspicious to stop someone, say for traffic violation or for something else, you can now legally still ask that person to prove their immigration status. now, you may say the definition for reasonable suspicion sounds a little bit vague, and it is. and arizona is not the only state that would allow police to ask for proof of status when making things like traffic stops. alabama, georgia, south carolina, and utah have put similar laws in place. now, there are a lot of questions tonight. over why the justices chose to uphold the show me your papers provision. and whether that provision could lead to racial profiling. >> if you're in arizona, and you speak with a little bit of an accent or your skin color's brown, you better have your papers with you. >> bottom line, the supreme court did not end the debate today over immigration laws. they started a new one. "outfront" tonight, a big proponent of the law, joe arpaio of maricopa county. good to see you, sir, i appreciate you taking your time. supreme court striking down three of the four provisions of the arizona law, but keeping the crucial, show me your papers provision. do you see this as a victory or a setback? >> well, you know, we've been doing this anyway the last four years. i do support the 1070, but we've been asking people doing our operations on human smuggling, crime suppression, and raiding workplaces. my office has done over 51,000 on the streets, in the jails. so this is nothing that we have not been doing. but it's good to send a message that we are doing the right thing. i'm a little concerned at the allegations of racial profiling. the justice department last month, very convenient time, has taken me to court, accusing me after three and a half jeers of racial profiling. and now i believe that the administration is even talking about racial profiling because now cops have the authority to ask when they come across illegals during the course of their duties and making arrests. it's convoluted -- >> let's get straight to the racial profiling. because that seems to be the heart of where this is heading now. the justice department -- and the suit. what the doj has said is that latino drivers are between four and nine times more likely to be pulled over by your officers. but only about 30% of the population of maricopa county is latino. so when looked at that way, it seems clear there's racial profiling going on. >> well, that's their opinion. now we're going to be in court, and we'll be able to put the true facts out on the table. that is their opinion. which, by the way, last month they had their big press conference saying they're taking me to court which is very convenient. we're in an election year, they knew the 1070 was coming out, the president announced his new program last week on the kids. so what is this? all politics? the timing is very -- very interesting when you talk about illegal immigration. >> well, what do you say the numbers are? >> on what? >> in terms of racial profiling. or how you're saying the numbers do not support racial profiling. >> no, it does not. we arrest anybody who violates the law. we don't care where they're from. it so happens we're close to the border and a lot of people come from mexico and they're here illegally. that's not my problem. so we're just enforcing all the laws and we're going to continue to do it regardless of the new policy that i hear over the air waves, which i predicted early this morning that they're not going to pick up those that we arrest, law enforcement arrests unless they're serious criminals. so i guess there's another issue of amnesty right now without going to congress and getting the laws changed. >> do you think -- and i know this is a dicey question, but it's an important one on this racial profiling issue -- is it possible from what you've seen that more criminal activity in your county comes from latinos? than their share of the population. in other words they're only 30% of the population, but they do commit a higher number of crimes. hence you would be able to defend your point of view without racial profiling. >> well, i'll tell you one thing, out of 8,000 people in my jails, including the tent city, which they don't like. they demonstrated against me on saturday night. but about 18% were in jail for other crimes, murder's on the way down, down to about 14% now. so evidently something's working and crime has gone down 29% in maricopa county. i'm not blaming it all on illegal aliens, but you can see that the number of people in our jails are here illegally. >> one final question. the show me your papers provision which was upheld today based on police stopping people due to "reasonable suspicion," what is reasonable suspicion? is it just traffic stops? how else do you define it? >> no, the traffic stop is not reasonable suspicion. a stop that's made on a crime or a traffic violation of the law. and then you determine if the person here with suspicion is here illegally and then you talk to i.c.e. about that problem and i.c.e., i presume will pick them up. and now i predict they're not going to pick them up. what do we do? we dump them on the streets even though they're here illegally? that's something i will face. i have a couple ideas and i'll face that issue when it comes up. >> what are you going to do? what is one of your ideas? >> that's a secret. no, i don't know. i don't know, i've been through this before. we've worked very closely with i.c.e. they accept all our detainments on illegal immigration. but they just cut off all ties with this 287-g program, cut off all ties with local and state authorities so they're picking on arizona again. and that's arrogance and i don't think it's right. >> and no sense of telling us a little bit the direction you're going to go now that you have to be creative and improvise? >> i'm telling you the direction i'm going at is the same direction i've been going at. i'm following that route. and i'm not going to violate any constitutional rights. i have dedicated deputies who know what they're doing. they've been trained -- we're the most trained law enforcement agency in the country when the immigration put my people, 200, through their training. five weeks of intensive training. nobody else can make that statement. yet they're going at me saying we're racial profiling. >> thank you very much, sheriff arpaio, we appreciate you taking the time tonight. and jeffrey tube toobin was inside the supreme court for the ruling and john avlon also. very passionate and intense rebuttal from sheriff arpaio. what's going to be the legal challenge here? and actually interesting that he's saying tonight that he's going to be going ahead with some other methods. >> well, the challenge here is justice kennedy's opinion said, okay, you can go forward with show us your papers. but be aware that we are going to be monitoring what you're doing to see if there is any sort of illegal discrimination involved. kennedy was very aware that this is a potentially controversial and problem at irk law. and he says, look, we're approving it on paper but we want to see how it's applied in the real world. >> so jeff, i'll read between the lines and say, they're waiting for this to get challenged again. one guy in maricopa county says, i got pulled aside, asked for my papers so i'm going to be the test case of racial profiling to go to the supreme court. >> you know, it's a long way from the supreme court. they would have to go to the district court and the court of appeals first. it's not so much one guy. the question is, when you asked a question, what is reasonable suspicion that someone is an illegal immigrant. i don't know, frankly. i don't know how you define that in a way that is legally permissible or even meaningful to police officers. i have a lot of sympathy for the officers who have to actually apply these standards in the real world. i think seeing what procedures are in place to define reasonable suspicion in a way that's legitimate and not discriminatory. that's going to be the real challenge for law enforcement in arizona. >> and then outside of the legal, there's the political. so it is politically popular. the president, obviously, made the statement today this decision makes unmistakably clear, congress must act on immigration reform. and romney says today's decision underscores the need for a president who will lead on the critical issue. both of them passing the buck to congress. >> yeah, and it is an extraordinary moment to this extent. look, president obama and harry reid bear some responsibility for not advances parts of immigration reform when democrats had unified control of congress. but of course, mitt romney calling for bipartisan immigration reform. well, that's precisely what he opposed in 2007 when the mccain/kennedy bill was up, backed by president bush, mitt romney running for president, he opposed that bill calling it amnesty. it's a tough position for both of them, frankly. you've got to square your action with the past statements and principles, as well. >> a little vague on both. thanks very much to both of you. and still "outfront," days after jerry sandusky's conviction, a former espn reporter "outfront" with a secret she's kept for decades. you have a brand new e-mail address and you probably don't even know it, but we do. and george zimmerman wants out of jail and he has a plan to do it. as a doctor, i do everything i can to make sure my patients get the very best care. but look at our health care system. everyone agreed we needed reforms -- but this new health care law -- it just isn't fixing things. president obama promised my patients that they could keep me -- but what if because of this new health care law -- i can't keep them? 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did he do this to somebody else? while that's not realistic to expect that of a child or even somebody who's coming to terms with it, that's certainly how i felt. >> one of the images of jerry sandusky that stood out the most to me was the one where he was taken in, wearing the yellow prison garb, and the moment after he was formally convicted saying what is this person? who is this person? how does a person do this? what went through your mind as you're seeing those moments of jerry sandusky. >> i think more than anything, he's sick. anybody who does this, obviously, is sick. i wish in some ways maybe that i had been able to confront my accuser by doing something legally, which i can't, the statute of limitations has expired in my case. i can't imagine what that would be like and the courage that would take. but i think if i'd had that opportunity, that maybe i would have felt differently. maybe there would be even more closure for me and knowing that i was able to legally do something to put somebody behind bars. so looking at him, i think i was wishing that more victims had that opportunity to really take action. and that's the problem, they don't. >> right. and your case was when you were 6, your abuser was ten years older. babysitter. >> he was a teenager in high school and i was a kid in elementary school. and by the time i came to terms with it, the statute of limitations is 10 years or 21 i believe in michigan. and to think that somebody doesn't get punished because it took you the time it should to be able to come to terms with it. doesn't make sense. >> do you think extending the statute of limitations is worth doing? i'm sure you've thought a lot about the balance. >> you still have to prove the case. you could come up with a false accusation, you still have to prove the case. it seems crazy to me that somebody can get away with a crime like this with molesting a child because 15 years went by instead of 10. because i was 24 when i came to terms with it and i was in my 30s before i wanted to talk about it more. so it's okay what he did. don't worry about it. that's not okay. i'd rather take the chance that you have to prove your case and that somebody, i would hope, wouldn't be wrongly convicted, but i'd rather take that chance. >> well, thank you so much, dana, appreciate it. and ahead "outfront," an article that's sent shock waves across the internet. the author who started it all by saying women can't have it all. you know what, that adds up. that's "outfront" tonight. did you know you have a new e-mail address tonight? facebook changed it for you without asking. this is new york state. we built the first railway, the first trade route to the west, the greatest empires. then, some said, we lost our edge. well today, there's a new new york state. one that's working to attract businesses and create jobs. a place where innovation meets determination... and businesses lead the world. the new new york works for business. find out how it can work for yours at thenewny.com. like a ramen noodle- every-night budget. she thought allstate car insurance was out of her reach. until she heard about the value plan. see how much you could save with allstate. are you in good hands? 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well, for starters, because facebook hasn't gotten traction on e-mail over the past two years. by forcing it to be an opt out, they're thinking more people will try it out, stay longer on the site, more people will use it and they can make more money. because after all, facebook is not a public utility even though many users may feel that way. it's a company that has to make money. and the stock is down nearly 16% from its ipo price of $38. look, we all know facebook isn't making money from ads the way it hoped to, so it's throwing a lot of spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. over the weekend, it tested a function called find friends nearby, which is supposed to tell you when other people, your friends, are close to you. the company said it was an unofficial release and pulled it after 24 hours. now, before you say facebook is messing up too much, throwing too much spaghetti that is dribbling off the wall, consider this, google is testing everything from driverless cars to special glasses, to wind, to undersea cables. i mean, you can say, wait a minute, supposed to be an internet company. a lot of those ideas have failed or will fail. but google gets brilliant people to work for it because of its mission to save the world. and its stock has been on fire. even with all that spaghetti throwing. and that's the number tonight. $560.70, which is where google shares closed today, google ipo'ed at $85 a share. maybe they'll throw enough spaghetti at the wall to get into google stock price territory. let us know your view. go to our facebook page. and still "outfront," will george zimmerman make bail? 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"outfront" read today's motion which says zimmerman is not a threat to the community nor a flight risk. zimmerman's first bond was revoked earlier this month and sent back to jail. he'd been asked how much money he had and was not honest about that. it also turned out he had a second passport. his attorney says zimmerman accepts full responsibility for misleading the court. and a lawyer for jerry sandusky tells "outfront" his client wants the world to know he's not guilty. his attorney visited sandusky today in jail. sandusky will be sentenced in about 90 days and he faces 450 years in prison. his lawyers say they're going to appeal. they say they didn't have enough time to prepare their defense. and today, the judge ordered sandusky undergo a psychological evaluation to see if he has is a sexually violent predator, psychologically speaking. if they find him to be so, it could place sandusky in a prison with a program to treat sex offenders. and some good news tonight about amy copeland, she's the 24-year-old from georgia who had flesh-eating bacteria. her doctors tell us they've upgraded her conditions from serious to good. and her father says for the first time in 49 days, he was able to take her outside in a wheelcha wheelchair. andy copeland says when he asked his daughter how she felt about her ordeal. this is what she said. i am blessed to share my experience with others and have a chance to improve the quality of life of others. i am blessed to be different. it is an unbelievably incredible thing to say. she underwent multiple amputations before the infection could be controlled. and tonight, italy is abuzz with speculation that disgraced prime minister silvio better less coney is planning a come back. he said i'm working on solutions, i'm still here, give me 51% of the votes. they chanted sill vow yo. this is the same silvio who was ridiculed for holding bunga-bunga parties and allegedly engaging in, well, apparently some of those prostitutes were dressed as nuns. italy is not due for an election until may 2013, but the current government is so unpopular, a snap vote could bring new elections as soon as october and in defense of berlusconi, everyone, he did get that country to a place where it's running in a surplus. that's impressive. wish we could be there, it's been 326 days since the united states lost its top credit rating, what are we doing to get it back? some good news today here, new home sales are at a two-year high. economists we spoke to say the data is consistent with other good news in housing over the past few weeks, look at inventory of new homes at the lowest level since late 2005. and now our third story "outfront." the numbers say it all. at least 31 people shot, four fatally wounded in three days. no, this isn't afghanistan. this is a weekend in chicago. since january, there have been more people murdered on the streets of chicago than american soldiers killed in afghanistan. gang violence is blamed for many of the 244 killed in chicago so far this year and as our ted rolands found out tragically, many of the victims aren't evening old enough to join the army. >> reporter: his family wants you to take a good look at something you may need to brace yourself for. his body in an open casket. this, they say, is what violence on the streets of chicago really looks like. the 20-year-old had recently returned to chicago from college in georgia. he was gunned down in what police are calling a gang shooting. >> he's a handsome young man too. very handsome young man. and he got killed, you know. probably over nonsense. >> his funeral was friday, a few hours before the start of another violent weekend in chicago. >> i won't probably see 18, you understand what i'm saying? because i'm a gangbanger. i achbt going to lie, i'm going to keep it real with you. >> cylus and maurice are both 16, both are associated with a gang and say they wouldn't be surprised if they were shot today. >> just walking down the street, you never know. it just be your time to go. >> you always got to look behind, turn your back. >> bullets ain't got no name. >> they might want to kill me and they end up killing you, you, and you, and not killing me. >> the kids are matter of fact about the things they do and what they've seen. >> i've seen people get shot, killed, robbed, stabbed. i've done some of that, all of that. it's just crazy. >> reporter: according to chicago police, the murder rate is up 35% compared to last year. people living here say the gangs have taken over. some say they'd like to see the national guard come in. >> we need help. you know, you need help. that's all -- that's the only way i can put it. >> reporter: they say there are no jobs and people have no idea how hard it is to survive. >> have they ever had to wear the same clothes -- >> every day. >> wash their underwear out in the sink and hang it up and hope your school clothes are ready. or not knowing where your next meal will come? >> they'd like to finish high school and get a good job, the dropout rate in chicago schools is a staggering 40%, and maurice and cylus say they know it's very possible they'll end up in prison or in a casket like davonte flenoy. >> and, ted, what are you finding out as to why the murder rate is up so dramatically? 35% just seems shocking. >> reporter: well, police say that it's -- there's a number of reasons, erin. they say one thing is that gangs have sort of splintered over the years where now you have literally two with block areas that are being defended by different groups of people. that is promoting more violence. they say the amount of guns on the street is just astronomical. last week they had a buyback program. 5,500 guns were brought back and purchased by the city. they said that didn't even make a dent. they also, believe it or not, say weather is part of this because of the mild winter. more people who were outside earlier this year. and that's skewed the numbers as well. obviously people want answers and people want something done here. >> that gun buyback statistic is just incredible. the deacon in the piece that you talked to was saying he wanted the national guard to be brought in. are the police even able to handle this. is it completely overwhelming battle they can't even fight? >> reporter: well, one thing they have done in recent weeks, they've opened up the pursestrings and they're allowing officers now to work overtime. for a long time there was a moratorium on any overtime. that has changed. officers are working weekends, they are working overtime. they're hoping that will make a difference. but residents say that clearly won't be enough. they do want dramatic action. >> thanks very much to ted rowlands reporting from chicago. the numbers there are truly stunning. and the thing is, is that even as the violence in chicago is making headlines around the country and providing statistics like more people killed in gang war in chicago this year than soldiers in afghanistan, it's failed to gain the attention of the city's most notable resident. that would be president barack obama who returned to his hometown two weekends ago to attend a wedding for the daughter of his senior adviser valerie jarrett. while he was there, six people were killed. the president did not talk about it. a loyal voter spoke up writing to the president in the chicago sun times asking for help saying, i am personally asking you to care enough to come back to chicago and speak out. who knows, coming from the president's mouth may deter potential criminal activity or touch the soul of a person contemplating killing someone. roland martin has been following this situation for months and is outfront. good to see you. >> my pleasure. >> the bottom line here, are you surprised the president has chosen to remain silent on this issue? >> well, it's been interesting how this has really come down. as you say it, he was in chicago a couple of weeks ago. and you had funerals taking place while he was at a wedding. now, a lot of folks and i put this out on facebook and twitter. and it stirred lots of people up and he should say something, some say he shouldn't, i believe he should speak out. but i think it should be for a different reason. i don't think it should be just about chicago. i believe the president should return to his roots as a community organizer and call on the very people living in neighborhoods, call on the people who actually stay there. the preachers, the pastors, the people of community centers and say you have to be able to take charge of your own community. also, i reach out to the white house today, erin, they sent an e-mail today, the department of justice, awarding $111 million to hire more police officers. $3 million is going to the city of chicago to put more cops on the street. and also something interesting, i was actually at fellowship missionary baptist church in march 2006 when then senator obama spoke at a community rally after two young girls were killed by stray bullets. and he said this, "when the marches stop and the signs come down and the politicians go home and the cameras are turned away, what will we be doing tomorrow?" he then said this, which is why i think he should speak to the nation because this is a national epidemic. he said, "if we don't change how we raise our children, then it doesn't matter how many more programs come in here, doesn't matter how much more money comes in here, doesn't matter how many politicians make speeches. there's a reason they shot each other, because they don't love themselves. and the reason they don't love themselves is because we're not loving them. we've got work to do, people." i think by going to the south side of chicago, go to the house of hope, it seats 10,000 people and literally call on the city of chicago to say rise up and take control of the situation, the president can have a more authority to do it. >> why isn't he doing it? i mean, it almost seems there's got to be a political reason. does he not want to be too associated with this sort of issue which is what perceived to be gang violence or black-on-black violence? i mean, why isn't he -- is this obviously something historically he's been passionate about. >> i can't say why he hasn't done it. i simply believe he should do it. and again, this is not his fault. this is not the mayor's fault. but i do believe you can use the bully pulpit to be able to galvanize the country. just imagine if he walked -- if he's in this church and literally you have these huge billboards showing the faces of all of these kids being killed and you literally say as a nation we should not be silent about this, whether you're black or white, hispanic, asian, native-american, doesn't matter. also, erin, this cuts to the prison industrial complex because the folks doing the killing, guess what? they're going right into prison, becoming felons, not being taxpayers, so it's a revolving door. i just say for president obama, use that bully pulpit to use chicago as the backdrop and say america, we can do better. not just politicians, but you at home. >> we'll see if he does that. certainly loud silence there from the president. thanks to roland. and outfront next, breaking news report, enemies infiltrating the military. there's a shocking number of breaking news extremists in the u.s. military. and the article that has turned the world on its head. our guest says women can't have it all. does it add up, next? 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>> well, this is islamic extremists they separated out from other extremists that they're basically tracking in the military. and what they found was that there were something in the neighborhood of 100 cases of islamic extremists within the military community. that's not just active duty, but that's reservists, contractors, family members, and those people have some sort of connection to radical islam. >> and this could be whether it's through a cleric in yemen. how do they determine the links? >> well, it doesn't have to be necessarily all the way to cleric in yemen. they could be in chat rooms they find problematic and some of the things they're saying in the chat rooms seem threatening. there were 100 that are basically preliminary investigations, they're looking into tips, that sort of thing. but the more worrisome thing are these dozen cases that seem serious. a formal investigation has been opened and they're looking into these cases as serious threats against the military community. >> now, people like major hassan who is still waiting for his trial, who killed people in ft. hood, someone like that have shown up early in the screening process? how serious are these very worrisome cases? >> no, of course, he hasn't gone to trial yet, so he's still alleged to kill these 13 people. but what they're worried about is people like hasan might slip through the system. so after ft. hood in 2009, november of 2009, they started a whole new reporting system to get the fbi and the department of defense to talk to each other more, to be able to tip each other off if they are seeing things that might be problematic. the problem with the hassan case is that they were not talking to each other. so there was some indications that the fbi had some indications, those indications never came together. >> well, thank you very much. one article by the state department official has the entire country talking. this is incredible. since the atlantic magazine published the cover story, why women can't have it all, it's been read by 770,000 people as of this morning. she's shaking her head sort of in awe. it's been liked by more than 126,000 people on facebook. another record for the "atlantic," the author ann marie slaughter is "outfront" tonight. are you in awe about this that this would have such an impact? >> i knew it would strike a chord, but not a symphony overnight. i mean, i really -- i knew from young people, from young women i talked to and i teach that they were not buying the straight, you can have it all story that they were looking at, you know, how am i going to make these choices and tradeoffs? but i had no idea it was going to take the country by storm. >> well, i feel like a lot of people, actually, i heard about it from one of my sisters and one of my colleagues. it struck the chord that maybe you're saying -- i won't say this to insult you but compliment you. you're saying the obvious what people know they don't feel okay accepting about themselves. >> yes. >> okay, great, she said it, now i'm not a loser for thinking about it. i read your article, i'm one of the women you write about, though i don't have children yet. and sometimes i talk about this with my friends and i wonder if there is a solution. as long as biologically women have children, they will take a hit professionally, that they chose to take, but they'll take it, right? >> i think if they have to take the hit, they will choose to take it. but i think there are all sorts of things we can do where they don't have to choose to take the hit. let me just give you one example. >> okay. >> young woman, she's an mba, she's a star, works in the general counsel's office of a foundation. they want to make her general counsel, she's 33, she has one child, she is about to have a second. she says i can take the job, but i have to work from home one day a week. >> mm-hmm. >> nope, can't do it, doesn't get the job. there are countless stories like that where if you loosen things up, give people more flexibility, let them use more technology, lots of women can do much more with both career and quids than we're letting them do now. >> lots of women, but what about when you talk about getting to the very top. a lot of women will hear that and say, okay, that's great. what about the women with kids and choose to put that time in, and say, if i'm going to work harder, i should be the one to get that job. not someone who wants to work four days a week. >> the first thing, people who choose not to have children, who are going to put all their time in, they will ascend the ladder faster. but there are a lot of parents in this country. there are a lot of women that are going to have kids. they can have a longer arc of a successful career. it may take them longer, they're going to get something back. they're going to invest in anywhere families, that's hugely important. we should cherish that, think it's a smart and wise decision. it will take a little longer, it doesn't mean they can't get there. that was my experience. >> so you're not trying to say -- you should -- you have a kid and you don't work as many days and therefore you should descend at the same right as someone else, that's not what you're saying? >> no, if you choose to work less -- now, many women can work just as hard, right. i've done it all. i worked like crazy. but i schedule my own time. so that's the other piece, right. if you can do it when you want to do it, then you may not have to make any tradeoffs at all. >> one thing you wrote about in the article i wanted to sort of tell everybody. if you haven't read it. a lot of you probably have, by the way. you right about richard holbrooke. the diplomat. he died. memorial service. one of his sons talked about his father and said, i'm quoting you, his father wasn't around to teach him to throw a ball or to watch his games but as he grew older he realized holbrooke's absence was the presence of saving people around the world, a price worth paying. i think your point was, as a woman i read that and said, gosh, if the roles were reversed, the perception would be she was a bad mother, she was selfish, she was a failure. even though she was out saving the world. now, how do we change that? because that seems to be society and how we raise boys and girls to think about parenting. >> yes. and there i think you partly many, many more men, as are happening, are making the same choices, to spend more time. so that you think about this as a work/life balance for men and women. but there are still lots of stereotypes we have to change. why do we talk about working mothers and not working fathers? >> right, that's a good point. >> that's a pretty basic point. if you started to talk about, well, he's a working father, meaning he's got kids at home. so he's going to have to spend more time. she's a working mother. working mother right now says mothers stay home. working mothers aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing. if something's wrong with their kids, it's their fault. >> right. >> that's not -- that's part of our language and our mind-set. >> you have boys so this is something -- >> i do. >> how you raise them -- someone was telling me -- again, everyone's talking about this. i was talking about this with someone who's a mother. talking about how she had to work here at cnn. and her husband went and looked at summer camps for the kids. and he was a hero. everyone said, my gosh, this father's such a hero for going to a summer camp meeting. somehow she is, what, a bad mother for not. it's sort of absurd when you think about it. but a lot of people watching will say, well, who zhou think you are? and that's just the way it is, men and women are different. >> no, i mean, look, part of what i acknowledge is i think women do feel when a child is really in trouble and needs you, i do think, in my experience, women are more likely to say, i got to be there, for whatever those reasons are. >> right. >> but, again, there's an awful lot we can change. the teachers at my kids schools thought my husband was absolutely a hero for showing up. treated me like a war criminal when i showed up. like, why aren't you here? those things we can change. but we still need to allow for the fact that many women are going to want to be home. we're going to want to invest in their children. >> they are. >> we don't just have them, we want to be with them. we need to accommodate that too. >> absolutely. absolutely do. all right. anne marie, thank you very much, a real pleasure to speak with you. >> thank you. and outfront next, humanity did everything it could, and it failed. a death and a tale of man versus nature. you know, i have done something worthwhile. when i earned my doctorate through university of phoenix, that pride, that was on my face. i am jocelyn taylor. i'm committed to making a difference in people's lives, and i am a phoenix. visit phoenix.edu to find the program that's right for you. enroll now. agents, say hello to the biggest hailstone in u.s. history. oh, that will leave a dent. which is exactly why we educate people... about comprehensive coverage. yep. the right choice now can pay off later. looks like a bowling ball. yeah. oh! agents, say hello to the second-biggest hailstone in u.s. history. 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