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at this hour, it is reported that a possible peace deal is in the works. this is one that has the backing of arab states, it's a draft resolution being circulated by saudi arabia which condemned the actions in syria today. we're getting word this is making its way through the u.n. general assembly. we're trying to confirm this report. we'll have an update as soon as possible. once again, breaking news on a possible peace plan for syria. much more on this as the bottom of the hour. now to our other top story. groundhog day, failure on repeat. the president is going put out his budget on monday. we know what's in it. it's going to let the bush tax cuts expire on people make being over $250,000 a year. excuse me. impose a minimum effective tack rate on millionaires. make some cuts to medicare and run a trillion dollar deficit. it's pretty much like the budget he passed last year which didn't pass. yes, i know, i'm coughing, but i'm pausing here for effect. it's been 1,017 days since the united states of america has had a budget passed by the senate. this is embarrassing. it's part of why we got downgraded from our top notch aaa credit rating. maybe you blame the president for putting out essentially the same budget as last year that didn't pass then and it wasn't an election year. maybe you blame republicans for not compromising it. the bottom line is they are all playing politics. in an election year digging their heels in to score points with voters. in am meantime, we're all getting hurt as confidence in america's financial prowess and leadership falters. good to have both of you with us. let me start with you dan, looking through this, some of the numbers we have, $1.3 trillion deficit in fiscal 2012. $901 billion in fiscal 2013. we're going have cuts in medicare and medicaid, as we pointed out. bush tax cuts go away and the buffet tax on millionaires is added. >> two things that you should understand. first, when politicians talk about budget cuts they are using the washington math definition which is if you increase spending 6% instead of 8% you get to claim a 2% cut. medicare is going up under this budget. medicaid is going up under this budget. they are all increasing. the second thing to understand is that all he's doing on tax policy is playing the same class warfare game he played last year. we'll raise taxes on the rich. that's obviously not going to fly with the u.s. house, and this whole buffett tax is basically a turbo charged version of the alternative minimum tax which everybody agrees is probably the worst feature of our tax code. i agree completely this is nothing but politics and of course, we'll get some politics also from the republicans on the hill. >> maria, we get politics from both sides here. 1,017 days since we had a real budget in this country, it's appalling when you think about it from that perspective, to both sides. >> i think that's true, erin. what you have to take into consideration here is what are american families going through today? what we're hearing from american families, middle class families, workers is that they want fairness in the budget. they want fairness in the tax code. and, yes, both sides have been playing politics, that's true. what this president is focused on is how you grow the economy, how do you focus on fairness for american families when you see poll after poll these same families are saying that they do agree that the rich should be paying a little bit more in taxes. you have buffett saying it. you have bill gates saying it. you have bill clinton saying it. you have all sorts of rich men saying they should be paying more. when you also look at the polls, they also think it's republicans, the ones that have been obstructionist in trying to get to a place where we have growth, where we have job creation in a fair and balanced manner. >> interesting. you went straight to the talking point for the democratic side and dan let me ask you this point, in this budget the president talks about medicare and medicaid and a lot of other thing. it seems the debate is going to come where maria was, which is on tax increases and who should be getting them and who should not. is that what this comes down to? >> suspect we'll be doing that all through this election year. my point to maria is simple if warren buffett and bill gates think they should pay higher taxes there's nothing stopping them from breaking out their check books and sending a big pile of money to uncle sam. if they think that crowd in washington can spend the money better than they can invest it i think they are smoking crack. because they'll be insane. i would rather have bill gates and warren buffett investing the money than either democrats or republicans. president obama promised hope and change and giving us the same policies we had under bush in terms of bigger government, more regulation, more intervention. the only thing he's doing different which makes it worse, more like europe, is throwing in the class warfare tax hikes, and you don't make an economy more competitive. we won't get jobs coming here instead of going india and china if we're raising tax rates. >> on this tax issue, dan, let me get you on the record and then give maria a chance to respond. is there any tax increase right now that you would accept? i mean, if you closed all the loopholes. and that meant people at the top paid more, is that okay? is letting the bush tax go away for everyone okay? >> erin i'm perfectly happy to go on the record and saying i want to completely wipe out every loophole deduction credit exemption shelter that we have in the tax system. for 20 years i've been droning on about having a flat tax. that would mean a lot of rich people would may more. some would pay less. the key thing is we would have a tax code like hong kong that's a dynamo for economic growth. we would get the politicians out of the corrupt business of trading tax dollars for loopholes. we would dry up a lot of lobbying sleaze in this town. >> got say i've read on that hong kong flat tax and there's two sides to that story. maria if loopholes were closed and you could put real tax reform on the table, and that's what we got out. it's gone, we come fresh, would that be a compromise? and then the bush tax cuts are put off for a little while, but we get massive tax reform? >> that's something that the administration will be willing to look at. but, again, guy back to fairness and i will respond to dan with a very simple response which is, if the fix for this economy really was continue to cut taxes and cut taxes and cut taxes why did the economy tank under president bush when that's exactly what his philosophy was. the reason was because it wasn't a fair tax. and every economist will tell you that you can't cut your way to growth and to job creation. so this president by the way has already cut medicare by $500 million and the democrats got eviscerated for it during the 2010 election. it's one of the reasons we lost the house. he's willing to put cuts on the table of the programs that we find so dear, but it's all about fairness, erin. >> in a word and i mean it guys, in a word will we get a budget or will it be at least 1,382 days before we get a budget? and we're talking about this in a year, dan, yes or no? >> harry reid said no budget from the senate. four years no budget. why do we still have a budget committee. >> one word. no. we got the answer. maria. >> i'm going to go three. if it's fair yes. >> you guys, all right. thanks very much to both of you. i think we got an answer to that question. we'll be optimistic. and hope that they can get this done for now. obama caved to catholics who care about birth control today and that's next. under surveillance tonight, twitter, homeland security is monitoring what you post. and i mean it's pretty amazing what they're looking at. we'll tell you what it is. then china, smoke them if you got them. sarah, will you marry me? 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the insurance companies have not commented on this. it's unclear if the battle is over. the president caved to pressure from catholic groups. the catholic vote is really important and powerful. 50 million strong in this country and one at the president needs for re-election. recent polling from pew research shows support for the president has eroded by five points since 2008. as you can see, 53% to 48% at that time. james carville is cnn contributor joining us tonight. great to have both of you. penny, let me start with you. bishops were led by timothy dolan here in new york, who is a rising star in the catholic church, had a problem with this. they said the compromise is a step in the right direction. what does that mean? is this done or not done? >> absolutely it's not over. you know, i don't know what the president was thinking. you know christians and catholics and christians from all over the world have been involved in the pro-life movement, taking care of the unborn for 2,000 years. and it wasn't going to stop with the president's mandate. the problem is that we've been stupaked. this is not really a cave all the way, it's really going to be a problem for women of faith because somebody is going to pay for it, erin. it's not like no one pays for it. you know that we all contribute to our health care premiums and our premiums are used for other people. therefore, because of the mandate, women that are members of concerned women for america, members of my staff will have to contribute and so for the president to pretend that he's taken care of this is not true. as long as the mandate exists it's still a problem. >> james carville, what happened? did the president not see this coming? i'm confused how he missed this coming. >> presumably he didn't see it coming. fortunately actually insurance companies glad to put bitter control pills in. it saves money on health care costs. >> assume the choice is getting pregnant or having birth control. some women pay for their own birth control, right? >> that's what insurance companies say. they pay for it and nets out to no cost. 98% of the catholic women in this country have used birth control. so i doubt if it's going to affect much of the vote if 98% of the women do, i assume their husbands know about it. the truth of the matter is he compromised and i expect that's where it's going to be. now it will start we find out all these catholic hospitals and catholic institutions were providing birth control coverage. i wonder if they will lose it as a result of this. i'm sure these catholic universities that they will go through here and determine if they are dispensing birth control pills at infirmaries. be interesting to see where this goes. we'll have a big contraception brouhaha here, and i'm not sure that's going to be good. i'm concerned for women of america. >> yes, please. >> penny, one thing i find >> your whole conversation are the percents that get thrown around. and i'm poking fun, 98% of women, only 58% of catholics support the president's plan. i don't know if people are honest about these issues in polls. but i don't know it's all going to go your way, penny. >> obviously, there's a large number of women in this country, women of faith, evangelical women often use contraceptives. this was not just about contraceptive, this is about abortive. that's a line for evangelical women. this is a point of grave concern. it's ridiculous to say this will cost less money. if you weigh the two perhaps side-by-side. to say it's cheaper to do abortions then, by the way, instead of allowing a woman to have a baby. let's knock off grandma for that matter if other trying to save money. it's nonsensical. thank you for sticking up for women, james. we don't need your help. conservative women are very concerned about this issue. it's a big deal to us. any time the issue of faith butt up against -- >> let james respond. >> i like the fact, you just heard this woman equate killing grandmother with taking a birth control pill. that's where this debate is going. >> no, i didn't. >> don't interrupt me. you got a major candidate by the name of rick santorum who wants to overturn griswald. wants to allow states to favor outlawing contraception. that's his position. he's an anti-contraception activist, and right now, he's doing pretty well in the republican party. my figure of 98%, erin you know where i got it from. it's a figure they asked catlic women. why would a catholic woman lie that she was not following the teachings of the church. if anything, my point is probably 2% of the women for some reason can't conceive and don't need it, so it's probably 100%. >> you know why it confused me? another poll we were using said 58% of catholics supported the president's plan. i figured if 98% of catholic women were using birth control more would support the president's plan. >> some use it don't support the plan. >> right. >> those figures i'm quoting are figures that were published by different polls. >> both of those polls were published, to be clear. james what does the president do from here? do you think this is over? >> you know, look nothing -- i think most people said look the guy compromised. and i think contraception has broad support across this country. i think we're going to be -- people will be interested to see what mitt romney's position is on griswold. the fact that he wants to defund title ten, which is going to deny birth control pills to millions of women across the country. i think we need to have a healthy debate about the role of contraception in the american life. >> thanks to boston you. we appreciate it. under surveillance tonight. is the government crossing the line by monitoring you on social media sites. this is a question before congress right now. hearings next week will happen to discuss how the department of homeland security monitor sites like twitter, facebook and the drudge report. is the government looking for suspicious activity or is big brother a more appropriate word to use here and are we having the government infringe on our rights. paul cowin has handled a lot of priechbacy cases. good to see you. you're lucky you didn't get put on the birth control beat today. >> thank heavens for that. >> i never thought i would see carville shut down. >> the government has been monitoring these sites for terrorist activity. that part, i guess you could say, is not new. but now we see reports that you go on twitter and post something negative on dhs and that that overseas, the tsa, and that might be grounds to monitor you. how do we know if they are going too far? >> this thing that i read about today in these lawsuits are very, very frightening. they seem to be going into a new area. they are monitoring social media. they have this government speak thing. they call it the social media monitoring and situational awareness initiative. what situational awareness initiative? what they are trying to figure out is who is criticizing homeland security. and they want to know, not just what citizens are doing this but what journalists are blogging about it and reporting about it. why would they want to do that? people who are worried about this say they are trying to restrict free speech. >> if you're on twitter, and people are allowed to follow you, right? you should assume people are going to read what you say. there's no law to expect someone not to monitor you on twitter, correct? >> it's legal, but the question is does it chill political speech? is it repressive? if you have a system where you're worried that the government will be monitoring what you say and if you criticize homeland security, maybe you better not criticize homeland security, that's the argument. i think it's legal, erin, frankly if you choose to post publicly your political views, you know what homeland security is saying, they are saying hey this is how america communicates. facebook, twitter, all of these social sites. they are looking for the bad guys and they figure you know what the first thing the bad guy will do? he'll attack homeland security. so it gives us a lead and they follow that lead to get the bad guy. that's their defense. >> all right. we'll see how this goes in the hearings. we'll cover this with paul callan. and let us know what you think. we asked you if you were okay if drones were watching you. we had passionate discussion. maybe dhs was watching you then. what did a uva lacrosse player tell police shortly after his ex-girlfriend was found dead? >> and a mujoert of americans at this moment think that china is a bigger economic power than the usa. do the numbers back that up? dad, why are you getting that? is there a prize in there? oh, there's a prize, all right. 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the possibility of a failure to extend the payroll tax cut looms large as a down side risk to consumer sentiment and spending it's been 189 days since the u.s. lost their top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? the problems in greece are weighing on the u.s. stock market, suffering its worst loss so far this year, but that was only a 189-point drop. here's what we know. a proposed peace deal apparently is in the works being circulated by saudi arabia. it's now making its way through the u.n. general assembly. this breaking headline comes as we get death toll numbers rising just in the past few moments. the numbers came that 110 people died today. 64 civilians. six so-called rebels. 40 government security forces. among the dead were victims of twin blasts in one of syria's cities. which had up to this point, really not had a lot of violence. and ivan watson is in istanbul covering this for us. i spoke to him right before the program began and asked him the latest on the twin attack in alepo. >> reporter: the state media is reporting at least 28 people killed, more than 200 wounded. they are blaming this, calling this a terrorist attack and when we spoke with defector syrian soldiers and officers linked with this free syrian army anti-government movement they've given some conflicting accounts as to whether or not their operatives were in that area when the bombs we want off. they said they are not responsible but some have said they carried out some kind of an attack just moments before the bombs went off. >> is your feeling that this then is truly spreading? you're talking about, we heard so much about homs. now you're talking about explosions in alepo. is this becoming a national and civil war? >> reporter: it's definitely been violence that's been spreading across the country now for the better part of a year. this started in march of last year. we've seen a number of cities that have been basically reduced to battleground facing siege-like conditions from the syrian army. the fact that the violence is moving or what looked like terrorist attacks to the city what that will do is shake up segments of the syrian society that so far have stayed with the government and have been spared the violence facing those that are protesting against the government. it's going to make them very uncomfortable. >> a significant development, let me ask you about russia. obviously we've been talking a lot on this show how russia has been a significant arms supplier migs and surface to air missiles for the syrian military. today russia is saying that the west, implying the united states has been involved militarily already in syria. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: we'll get more and more accusations like this as great powers line up on both sides of the struggle inside syria. we're seeing the development of a proxy war. we've seen, for example, the u.s. ambassador to damascus, robert ford, very outspoken, who had to shutter the doors of the embassy in damascus just a few days ago, come out with a statement that looked very targeted against the russians that says it's basically crazy to compare the syrian opposition to the syrian army. russia as line has been you have to talk to both of these sides in this struggle as if they were equally powered combatants which simply isn't true. >> thank you very much. reporting tonight from istanbul. so is a peace deal imminent and could it be a break through or a meaningless document from the united nations? coming outfront tonight, good to have both of you with us. paula you've been working your sources on this issue. is there some sort of a peace deal? >> well thanks for having me here this evening. i don't know that we can put much hope in a peace deal. this u.n. general assembly proposal is another signal to the assad regime the u.n. is serious but i'm not sure that syria is taking it seriously. >> that's what you were saying is also a general assembly document not security council and a lot of people are skeptical of something that would have more quote-unquote teeth from the u.n. >> this is deja vu. we did this before. we did this in october. there was an effort by the u.n. that ended in failure. we did this a week or so ago and it ended in failure. the united nations is a dead end for this. there's no solution at the united nations. no solutions at the arab league. the solution is on the battlefield. that's where we are today. that's why the powers of the world are called upon if you're going to rescue the syrian people the time to do it is now. >> you talk about that. you wrote in the "new york times" about that and the "wall street journal." an arab campaign, you're talking about similar to what happened in serbia. how would this work? syria's military is serious. 320,000 ground troops, 5,000 tanks, mig jets, they can fight back. >> erin, we've gone through this before. we said the same thing when we watched the genocide in bosnia. the serbs have 37 nazi divisions. they're a very great power. when the american power came into the equation we destroyed the serbs and rescued the bosnians. we did the same in 1999, again, the same, and we said the same numbers and the same scenarios. we did the same with the iraq republican guard when we waged war against iraq in 2003 and 1991. these armies are nothing. the syrian army is exhausted. the syrian army is split. the rank-and-file are sunnis and are eager to defect. >> what happens, though, if there is military intervention? you know you look at iraq which is as many say still struggling with potentially a civil war, insurgents. you go in and you get rid of something and who is responsible for putting something in its place? >> the future is always uncertain, but i think iraq is much more of a success story than its critics would like to say. i know there was a book of the hero of the iraq war, petraeus and we can take some pride on what happened in iraq. >> paula let me ask you a question about the satellite images we've gotten today that have been released from the u.s. military of syria. why has that -- why did they choose to do that? is that sending a message of hey we're watching you, we can see what's going on. which means, we can come in and drop bombs on you if we wanted to? >> sure it's a signal we have visibility on what's going on on the ground there. other than satellite imagery we have some sources on the ground as well. i wouldn't underestimate the intelligence the u.s. has on syria. just to come back to the suggestion, and i admire the commitment to democracy and his ideals, but we have to look closely at what a military interneninte intervention would look like. i don't think it's very likely from the u.s., much less the neighboring countries. because, you know, it's unlikely we can target the right force and be effective with strikes. if an alternative is arming opposition groups there, well that doesn't seem to lead to anything but a militarized protracted stalemate. >> seems we seen them doing that. libya different situation. but we did that. then you have people who end up doing bad things later who are armed. >> libya is a very different situation than syria. you look at syria's neighbors, but you see the country devolving now economically, and electricity and basic services are going down. we have less control in syria and the surrounding countries than we were able to do in libya. >> thank you both very much. and you're heading to istanbul and the turkish syrian border. still ahead, protesters in athens in the streets. big clashes today with police, and disturbing images connected to josh powell. what he did just hours before he killed himself and his two young sons. maybe this vacation wasn't a good idea vacations are always a good idea ♪ priceline negoti - - no time. out quickly. you're miles from your destination. you'll need a hotel tonight we don't have time to bid you don't have to bid. at priceline you can choose from thousands of hotels on sale every day. save yourself... some money [♪...] >> announcer: with nothing but his computer, an identity thief is able to use your information to open a bank account in order to make your money his money. 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[ male announcer ] we are insurance. ♪ we are farmers ♪ bum, ba-da-bum, bum, bum, bum ♪ now to tonight's outer circle. we reach out to our sources around the world. we begin in athens. protesters battling with police angry about layoffs, cuts to wages and pensions. these cuts are necessary if a group of eurozone ministers will sign off on another bailout. the grooek parliament expected to vote on the plan on sunday. matthew chance is in athens for us. i'm wondering if greece is in the position to approve the cul cuts or might they choose to default and send the world into a spiral? >> erin, the greek prime minister said default is not an option for this country but to avoid it parliament will have to pass tough new austerity measures. being demanded by the international fund and others bailing greece out. there's enormous pressure on the government not to accept. thousands of greek protested on the streets of athens again today angry that after two years of austerity recession in this country seems to be getting worse. unemployment in the country is now over 20%. and few people here believe frankly that more austerity measures are going to make things any better at all. >> matthew chance, thank you very much. a bad situation, getting more unemployment and less money to pay down the debt. now to saudi arabia and the arms race showdown in the middle east. because according to recent reports saudi arabia is convinced iran is going to get a nuclear weapon. and if iran launches a nuclear test the saudi kingdom would immediately start buying nuclear war heads itself. david ottoway is an expert. we asked him how saudis entrance into the race will ratchet up tension in the mideast. >> it would ratchet up tension. if iran obtains nuclear weapons saudi arabia almost certainly will do the same. or at least seek to do the same. the saudis help the pakistanis financially develop their nuclear program and they will expect pakistan to help them obtain a nuclear capability and then you'll have turkey also wanting to develop a nuclear capability. >> all right. tonight we have breaking news in the case involving josh powell. according to a search warrant police have found a blood stained comforter in a storage locker that he rented in washington state. now powell was questioned in the 2009 disappearance of his wife susan. that case remains unsolved. but tonight we have a photo of josh powell at a bank the day before he committed suicide, murdered his two young sons on sunday in a fiery explosion at his washington state home. an image unfortunately now we all are familiar with. all have seen this horrible picture. we're learning about disturbing images on josh powell's computer showing animations of incest ws sex acts. a lot of questions and finger pointing. there were warning signs ignored. what could have been done to save powell's two sons. sunny hostin is joining me. what do you make of these developments? it's a chilling and kind of makes your arm hairs stand up when you see that picture of him at the bank going right before he killed those children. >> that's right. there's no question that we're learning so much more about this case and that the investigation is ongoing. i think, you know, the pictures of him at the bank and what he did at the bank, withdrawing so much money, it's clear this was a plan in motion, but you know, taking it out of context, i don't think authorities would have known that he planned to not only kill himself but kill his children. but there were so many system failures i think when you think about what's happening in this case and what has happened in this case, erin, bottom line is from tragedy i've always believed that when you look at what happened, you look at the facts, you look at the protocol, you can review and refine and reform but there's no question in this case mistakes were made and hopefully reform will be the result of this. >> what about the judge who oversaw the custody agreement to begin with? the judge did not disclose the full nature of the photos which were on josh powell's computer which were animation. because they weren't real children, it was somehow short of child pornography on the computer. but the grandparents didn't know, and maybe if they had known about those things, they would have fought harder on the custody. these children would never have had a custody arrangement with father. >> the images were found in utah two years ago and were just sent to the judge. the judge did the right thing in the sense that he put a halt on custody and ordered josh powell to undergo a psycho sexual evaluation, counseling, a polygraph test and switched everything up at that point but still maintained that they could have these supervised visits and that's because in a case like this it's very difficult, erin to remove visitation from a biological parent. but there again, you've got to reform these laws when it comes to children. >> and sunny, what about 911? this is a really hard, hard topic for people, but did 911 fail as well? let me listen to -- play that call. just a snippet of it again. >> should the 911 operator have done something different? >> i think so. i mean, certainly, this is part of the failure. i would rate this as a fail. we're talking about, i think, eight minutes, erin, eight minutes, you know, between the time she called and the time that someone was dispatched. you have got to, when you call 911, presume that the call is valid, and she explained this was an emergency, emergency call. so you know, certainly, there was a problem here. and everyone, i think, can agree that these mistakes were made and that reform has to take place when you're talking about children. children. >> all right, sunny hoskins, thank you. out front next, a brand new segment. talking to an author who says women should put career before family. join us. we get ready. your finances can't manage themselves. but that doesn't mean they won't try. bring all your finances together with the help of the one person who can. a certified financial planner professional. cfp. let's make a plan. e e e e e what when my tempurpedic moves? 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