event like that, do it in accordance with the guidance of the cdc. it's an outdoor event. it's not an indoor event, and they feel comfortable moving forward. >> all right. >> can i just -- >> go ahead, ron. >> i mean, look, the world looks very different on august 1st than people thought it would, on july 1st. there were a lot of plans that were made that now kind of look shakier in light of what we are actually experiencing. i feel the same way watching major league baseball every night with 40,000 people in a stadium. >> lollapalooza this weekend. >> how far -- the virus right now has a safe haven in states that are actively -- basically dominated by red states that are rejecting any kind of public health intervention as a matter of political and public health strategy. as long as that is the case, it's not going to stay contained in those places. it's going to be very hard for the administration to get a handle on it nationally as long