responding to the insurrection. what goes through your mind when you hear this? >> well, first of all, i want to offer my condolences to the families of these officers that are killing themselves. as well as the men and women of the department because this is tough, whenever you lose an officer. but clearly, the -- there's a mental-health issue here that we've got to address. it's not just the january-6th insurrection that the officers responded to. obviously -- obviously, that was a very traumatic incident. but it's just a day-to-day policing and the trauma that they're exposed to, on a regular basis, especially in those cities that have high rates of gun violence and so forth. this stuff adds up, over time. >> are you worried about this number? you said it adds up. you worried about this number keeping up, rising? >> well, yeah, i am, and i have been for a long time. i mean, there's a very high rate of suicide among police officers. and a lot of it is due to untreated trauma. psychological trauma. that officers are exposed to, on a regular basis. you know, in policing, it