and -- and -- and the same accountants who, um, just, you know, essentially fired donald trump were accountants we deposed over a decade ago. only difference is i was a journalist involved in that case, i wasn't a public prosecutor. um, during your deposition with trump, we deposed him for two days in december of 2007. two eight-hour sessions. and um, he was caught out lying more than 30 times in the course of those two depositions. we had bank documents. we had his tax returns. we simply pushed things across the table to him that he couldn't refute under oath. and our evidence, i don't think, was nearly as voluminous as -- as -- as what tish james's office has and what the manhattan da's office has and as elie pointed out, the -- you know, the evidence is so voluminous, that the judge essentially said to the trumps