and american elections? >> no. i mean, i think whoever wins, wins. i'm all about that. he will win if he runs again. but the people that know that we were cheated are almost at the point of saying i don't want to vote because it'll happen again. >> reporter: what is your reaction to hearing from an american like that? >> well, ten years ago it would have been shock. and disbelief. and i would have thought, well, she is an outlier and she's not representative of anything larger than fringe movement maybe but of course that is not the case anymore. >> reporter: barbara walter is a professor at the university of california in san diego. she has studied civil conflict for years from yugoslavia to northern ireland. >> experts who study civil wars and know the warning signs, we've been talking about them but nobody wanted to believe it. and january 6th made it impossible to deny and ignore that there really was this cancer growing in our own country.