care less about delivering quality, affordable health care for the russian people. that is his goal and focus. he sees ukraine as the front line of that. if he can take ukraine over, if he can end the development of democracy in ukraine and if he can stop the advancement of nato it's a huge victory for him. he views that as essential to his legacy. >> president trump's former adviser on russia fiona hill has a new op-ed in the "new york times" that says, in part, i'll quote here, right now all signs indicate that mr. putin will lock the u.s. into an endless tactical game, take more chunks out of ukraine, and exploit all the frictions and fractures in nato and the european union. it's similarly what secretary cohen has said to me earlier. has putin had the upper hand all along? >> no. i agree with miss hill. she is absolutely right. that's always what putin does. that's always what russia does. that's their playbook. that is exactly what they're