>> i mean, don, how often have we ever seen this president take advice from lawyers, from staff members, from anyone else. it doesn't surprise me they were just like, oh, gosh, hit record and let's see what happens. i'm sure there were a number of stumbling outtakes there. it's important to point out the committee knows their chances of getting ivanka to come and testify voluntarily are slim to none. what they're doing with this letter is laying out an absolute iron clad case why she should come in. so if shoo she doesn't come in, you can bet this will be a point in their final report indicating she say a direct fact witness, she had access to all this information and she refused to come in and provide it. >> that was my next question to you do you think it will actually happen. but since you answered that i'll ask you another one. trump campaign officials led by rudy giuliani they oversaw efforts in 2020 to put forward fake electors from seven states