at this moment in time. we had good prosecutors, good defense lawyers, and a good judge all working hard to make sure justice occurred in this courtroom, and whether the verdict had been the way it went or had been the other way, not guilty, justice would have happened in this courtroom, and it doesn't speak about the larger problems in america. >> is he right? is there a larger message, charles? >> i think that he is right. i think that on a lot of ways, this is a conversation that has much, much, much greater implications than what happened in brunswick, georgia. i don't necessarily know that i would call it a referendum on the entire criminal justice system but i will say this, laura. we have been throwing the term justice around all day, and i find that to be deeply troubling and almost problematic because i want to make something clear, justice is not what we are talking about. we are conflating justice with accountability.