renegades. they don't trust the government. they're not sure about the vaccine. but you know, they have something -- and this has always been the trick for us. okay? at the end of the day they don't just look alike. they have the same blood. and they have culture and they have language and they have feel. and that never goes away. they're all italian. so they may have their disagreements. they may not like each other. they may have government turnover. they may have terrible bureaucracy. they may have problems in their society. but they're all italian. >> are you trying to say we don't have that cohesion as we're all americans? >> what does that mean? for us it means a common sense of purpose, a collective will. because we don't have the look-alike, the same blood. so it's always been trickier for us. it's always been about cause. and when you mess with shared sense of purpose it's very dangerous for us. another thing it reminded me of is not all white people are the