trooper cavalier for coming forward. i think it is what our nation is saying we want officers to step forward when they see something is wrong. i think it is what the community wants, and i think leaders of agencies are asking their officers to do that. apparently it didn't happen here, but there are some leaders now that are saying we've taken a step back with what is going on with trooper cavalier. >> it is interesting because he felt that he could not go to higher ups in the department because they were part of the problem, and he claims that the culture at state police there, that it is racist. do you think he had any other choice but going public? >> well, when i look at this investigation, it took 474 days for this investigation to get started. so it seems like there were no other recourses but for him to come forward the way that he did. you know, someone would say, well, he could have done something different but i don't think there was any right way when you are coming forward with something that you see as a wrong. >> you know, ronald green is another incident where the body