to avoid a government shutdown ahead of the midnight deadline. the other big deadline that we have on the horizon right now is the debt limit. >> right. >> if republicans continue to play games and let the u.s. default on their bills as a political stunt, what would that do to our economy? >> well, hang on. i think we have to be clear. i don't think the republicans are playing games at alt. i think senator mcconnell is dead serious that he's not going to let his caucus in the senate take this vote. they are not going to vote to support a debt limit rise even though it's traditionally been bipartisan and even though part of the debt that they're paying off -- because raising the debt limit is not future spending. it's the bills we've already accrued. >> 97% of it, right? >> so that has already been done by republican and democratic administrations. but let's talk about what happens here if, as we approach the 18th of october, which is what secretary yellen it's going to be when she can't find any more money to pay the bills, you're going to see in that