what it also tells you is that the democrats shouldn't get their hopes up that these four are going to testify because one of the things the trump administration taught the democrats in congress is they can defy congress more or less with impunity because they can tie up these subpoenas in court for months, and this committee does not have months. so even though these four, i think, have no real legal basis to refuse to testify, i would be very surprised if they actually did wind up testifying. >> yeah. so, laura, the committee wants documents, let's see, by the first week in october, and patel, bannon, scavino, and meadows appearing on october 14th and 15th. committee member adam schiff just told chris cuomo that they are moving with great alacrity and nothing is off the table here. none of these people is going to volunteer to testify, so how