the answer was from the vaccinated individuals. you can't prevent with it a vaccine because they don't do the very thing you're wanting them to do. you will be chasing this the remainder of your life until you recognize the center for disease control and the indiana board of health are giving you very bad scientific guidance. >> okay. so joining me now is erica herron, an education report he for the indianapolis star, and dr. gabriel bosslet. an associate professor at indiana university of medicine. i'm so glad both of you are here as well. this is a very important topic. doctor, the man is well spoken. he seems professional. but what he is saying dangerous. he is claiming vaccines are causing people to get sick. it is absurd. please give us the facts, sir. >> i mean, most of what he said was not factual. you're right. he sounded great and he had a really crisp shirt and nice suspenders and he looked like