advertisers, or as we saw with neil young, artists withdrawing. i think these platforms that distribute podcasts are probably more vulnerable than facebook or google. if an advertiser or artist leaves, they just don't feel it. i think this is more like traditional media. but if more shoes drops, if more artists leave platforms, i think you'll start to see more and more attention paid to this misinformation being spread on this kind of emerging medium, if you will. >> and what about steve bannon and his podcast? i mean, he's still running this podcast, despite being under indictment for contempt of congress, refusing to comply with that subpoena and the january 6th investigation. but you could go on your apple podcast app, and there he is right there. i mean, why doesn't apple do something about that? >> i don't like it when big tech wraps themselves in a first amendment blanket, because the