>> so, i don't doubt that where donald trump and his closest and craziest supporters, it won't mean that much. i mean, it will mean, for him because he'll be indicted and presumably go to trial. and we'll see what happens. but it will serve as a stern and important warning to other politicians and to other election officials that you cannot subvert and undermine american elections without consequences. so, it is vitally important that there are consequences for what donald trump did in the days leading up to january 6th, on january 6th, and the days following. >> yeah, i talked to a trump adviser earlier this evening who said that this is very bad for him. there's no question about it. and mark, what does it say, you know, that states like arizona seem to be taking a second swing at this, third swing, fourth swing? they're not stopping -- >> no. >> -- even when they're proven to be wrong. >> that's right.