and just result, and i don't care if people remember me. i'm going to go on about my life. i'll go back, you know, to my office, to my family, and the next case will come along and i'll fight that one. i'm not a cause lawyer. >> you're not a what? >> cause lawyer. i represent clients. >> these laws, there's been an evolution or a devolution, we'll call it, no duty to retreat, making it easier and easier for someone to pull the trigger in their own defense, serious bodily injury, having the prosecutor have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt that self-defense wasn't necessary, stand your ground laws. are you worried that we're making it too easy to kill in self-defense? >> to me -- i know people will go nuts when i say this -- but there's too many guns in our society. and that might seem like a hollow statement coming from me. i do own firearms.