president biden that the clergy in the united states doesn't agree with and it's very interesting to see what he'll do this time when he meets. because, you know, interesting distinction, you're right, the vatican's position, the dogma on reproductive rights is clear. the church, though, is the people. they're not different in terms of the rest of the population in terms of favoring human rights. >> he's a big ten catholic. his approach to homosexuality is to say we welcome, we're not about excluding, we're about growing the church. another hot political issue, when trump was talking about building a wall, pope francis said we're about bringing walls down not putting them up. we see this division very much in the u.s. the leadership in the catholic