we've known g had -20 was goinge here for several months. when the president landed in rome, there's no question he was going to meet with the pope. he's also very frprotective of s faith. he understand when it comes to abortion and reproductive rights, he's in a different place than the church nap is problem obviously, particularly with particular catholics, conservative catholics and where the vatican sits on this issue. officials make sure, one, this isn't something the president is discussing on a regular basis, his faith and his view of the church. two, what pope francis represents on several other issues very much in line with what the president is talking about climate change, poverty, inequity. those are the things the president want to discuss with the pope and hopefully take a union fight message out when you talk to white house officials. >> it's very interesting. you understand these issues very well. and the pope said things about