type of terrain is like. when you've had flooding in an area like that, how much water are you talking about? what does it do to the trails? what does it mean that it's hard to move around? >> well, it's actually -- the real name back in that area is called the big slew. and there's flags out there anywhere from a quarter mile in diameter to some that are a mile in diameter. we call it seven ponds some of us that know the area like that. the whole area is just backed up underwater. you go out there and there's places that's ankle deep with the palmettos still under water, places that are knee deep, up to waist deep and it's mucked, completely mucked. i've rode horses in there looking for cattle when i've had them get out and you'll be going in there and i'll be walking along and my horses fall slap to their chest into the muck and hard to get out. you sink. >> so, it would be very hard to move, let alone to get very far. and then you have the observation issue.