day care, do you want free community college, document help with prescription drugs. everybody is yes on the spending bill categories, why do you say people don't want it, price tag? >> i want all of those things. i'm looking at different polling data if you're suggesting the country is lock, stock and barrel on his side on this. i don't think so that's the case. if you ask any american if you want community college or the other things you've identified for free, the answer is going to be yes but sooner or later we have to pay the piper. we haven't had a conversation in this country about debt since simpson bowles in 2010 on obama's watch. >> it will never happen. >> chin up. my message for you is chin up. don't be so despondent. there is good news out there if you just read these tea leaves. >> yeah, i don't agree. i'll tell you why. i'm an optimist, otherwise this would be my last show because