mentioned, let's take russia and china, in terms of digital capability, if you want to talk to somebody over the internet, compared to 20 years ago, what do you think the russians and the chinese are good at? not only targeting us in terms of digital but also numbers of people. you look at the chinese security service. that's hundreds of thousands of people looking across the internet saying what are we seeing in terms of something that would allow us to pick up an agent. so they've gotten better. but also i've got to believe looking at us, and people talked about that when i was in the business, looking at us, we had a lot of junior officers who were out talking to people like the pakistanis and the saudis, help us find terrorists. those junior cia officers weren't trained in saying how do i prevent surveillance from the russians and the chinese. there's a generation of cia people who maybe don't know the business as well as they should, chris. that's the message. >> so let me ask you this again. i asked you when we left