that as shameful of him? >> yeah. look, in situations where we've made a decision that you're going to have a chairman of the joint chiefs call to his counterpart, and i participated in several of those, you discuss it among the principles of the nsc, informally, phone calls and whatnot, and there's generally agreement and it goes ahead. so i find it very hard to believe that pompeo, meadows, perhaps others, haspel, wouldn't have known about it and concurred with it. so i was stunned a few days ago to hear this interview by mike pompeo that you just played because pompeo had to be reading the same intelligence as milley. >> and milley told him. shouldn't pompeo -- shouldn't meadows, shouldn't miller and esper be put in that same