see there? the trump tax cuts, the opposition was far greater than the support but the republicans passed something. and in passing something, they were able to rally the base and trump's approval rating went higher. given that the biden bills are popular, you have to at least potentially see the possibility given how unpopular biden is at this point that this could boost his popularity at a time that he needs it. >> one step sideways. the knock is going to be, first of all, they've got to figure out how to pay for it. and it's going to be a lot of taxing the rich. but while taxes, people don't like them, taxing the rich, people like you, harry, everybody is okay with that. when you look across the board, in terms of when you look at numbers of demographics, the idea of taxing the rich to pay for this, that doesn't play the same way as raising taxes. >> that's right. i can tell you the numbers in that same pew poll show that taxing the rich works. we can see this throughout the apologize, that taxing the rich is popular. people don't want to see their