transcendent of politics it just reinforce the same old rules. >> that is exactly right. just reinforced the same old rules. what i'll note here is that i think a lot of people expect a certain relationship with covid, right? when cases are up you expect that the incumbents would be punished. if cases are down the incumbents should benefit. but what in fact do we see? this is the 2016 versus the 2020 election. if you look at the change between those two in the counties in which there were more covid cases in the top quartile what happened to the democratic margin? it went down. donald trump improved in places where covid deaths were highest. where he did worse was where they were lowest. >> why? >> the reason why is a bunch of things. number one where the cases tended to be lowest were places where for example. >> people wear masks, had testing, believed. >> especially white voters with college degrees in the suburban areas versus a lot of places