under trump. thank you for joining us on "prime time," sir. >> thank you, chris. great to be here. >> first, an obvious question. why weren't you on the perfect phone call, did they box you out because you weren't on board with what they wanted? >> that phone call was listened to by a small number of people in washington, and a very small number of people in ukraine. no, i don't think that they had any idea of who would be on, or who would be listening, or what the implications would be. i don't think they knew what would happen on that call. that was an unusual call in many respects. we know there was pressure put on president zelensky. >> when you think about what that was about, you had texted gordon, it's crazy to ask for help with a political campaign,