ferta fertash. >> so what's the wurzelbach reading? >> the wurz reading is that rudy and the team on the groundworking with lutsenko, the folks they hope to be able to deliver dirt on joe biden, was actually being supported by, maybe funded by, beak rolled by a. >> illegal or just unethical? >> it's certainly unethical. there are many ways this could be illegal. you have a whole legal taerms here in the net work. there's conspiracy laws, foreign registration laws. but it's really a morias that should cause rudy some serious concern. >> andrew m no need to go more.