impeachment without the perjury. the reason why the republicans make the argument about impeachment. and by the way it was a wrong argument in 1974 richard nixon was found guilty of cheating on his taxes but he was not impeached for it? why? because it's a crime but it's not a high crime. you don't impeach somebody -- >> foreign interference, there wasn't corruption of bribery, he wasn't playing with his power. >> when bill clinton lies under oath, you don't overturn an election because somebody lied under oath. >> and they made all -- some of them, only few are left. but they made these arguments, lindsey graham most notably, it's not about a crime, tim, it's about cleansing the office. this is about the kind of a behavior and decency we expect from a president. and then of course people like pence made a lot of moral majoritarian arguments. and now he is standing next to a man who is a repository. but now they are arguing you don't have a crime, you can't impeach.