don't have either here. what happened here is pretty obvious. they keep arguing what seems to be isn't what it seems to be. this is the first time in modern history we've seen the party of the president refuse to acknowledge any oversight duty. they are the president's line and they will not move. what does that do to this process? >> i think that's a really terrific point. that is different from clinton's situation and different from nixon's in nixon and clinton admitted it was legitimate that there was an impeachment inquiry. here the president's defenders are doing exactly what you said. they're attacking the legitimacy of this inquiry at all and attacking the people who are fact witnesses, attacking the people who are talking about the law, but attacking them for being disloyal, for being idiots or whatever, but not really