are. >> your network is full of leak information. >> you want to talk about leaks and talk about something you don't know, let's talk about the same point but what we do know. what we do know is this, i can prove this and you can prove nothing except to speculate. jordan and meadows both admit they've gone to the white house after depositions to talk to white house counsel about the general contours of what's happening in the room. >> there's nothing wrong with that. >> how is it okay for a congress member with oversight responsibilities to talk to the subject being investigated about what they may have on him? >> the one on your show last night is talking about what's going on in that room all over washington and so are many other democrats who are spinning this. so there's nothing wrong with pushing back on false narratives. >> why did nunez -- >> let's not mix apples and