>> i think that mr. trump has a certain way of talking that we all love him for. it's a salty way of talking. you and i may have a different way of explain things but that's the way the president is. >> would you call somebody like that scum? >> i wouldn't, no. >> okay. let's leave it at that. we agree that that's not the way we should talk. the way we disagree matters. >> i think mr. trump has a different way of talking. and look, he's under a lot of pressure right now. we have an impeachment process that is a fraud, that's violating precedent, that is trying to destroy him. he's a human being. we're going to have him make statements like this once in a while. >> every impeachment can be looked at as personally destructive to the focus of it. that's not what makes this different. as we both know, history shows we are where these things always are. the only difference is congress is doing the investigating -- >> not at all. we're not -- >> how is it different? >> we're not following precedent. we know what the precedent was for '98 and '74. >> what's the difference? >> we know that special rules were set to make sure that the president and the minority had certain rights. >> not at this phase. >> that's not true. >> it is true.