literally crowding into the skiff, a room for confidential matters, and they had phones, clear violation of security rules. but, boy, oh boy, you saw me with the congressman tonight, rules only matter if they work in your favor and that's why people hate this process. look at them. it's like a men's wearhouse sale where everything had to go. their efforts echoed >> nothing is transparent. no transcript, no hearing, no nothing. no rights for the president. no rights for republicans. >> all right. with all due respect, let's do a steel man on this argument, not strongman, not weak, at its best. you should want an open process. there should be debate. there should be cross-examination. there should be counterevidence and witnesses, but not now. that's when you're arguing articles of impeachment. that's not where they are, and they all know it. this is the investigation. no, congress didn't do it