case and he did look at it and then closed it and only reopened it for a hot minute. you know when? after he met with rudy giuliani. >> but this is where, again, we have to look at the context here and we have to look at the full scope of what's going on. because when president trump -- and i would push back on asha to say president trump did task bill barr with this. he is tasking the resources of the official capacity of the united states of america -- >> bill barr says nobody ever told him to do it. >> well, but that's -- again, bill barr was tasked with that. and rudy giuliani as a private attorney to mount a full-throated vigorous defense for his client, which is donald j. trump, not the president of the united states -- >> he wasn't acting as a private attorney, though. he was working with the state department. >> exactly. he's acting in a private capacity -- >> but he's acting as a private -- he's acting as a private defense attorney. you can have a representation of a private attorney while you are