that could have a big impact on someone being willing to speak you up in the federal government and he knows that. let's talk about what it means to people who understand how the intelligence community works. phil mudd, mike rodgers. the secretary of state gives a number of interviews, never mentions that he was on the phone call. that's all. >> i'm sorry, are you asking me? >> no, i'm asking mike. he knows independe i'm talking . >> i don't believe the secretary of state knew he had a duty to disclose. those calls are classified for a reason. i'm not sure it his responsibility to disclose. it would have been in a broader sense if he was talking to the committee or other thingss a, i certainly would have been his duty to disclose.