it was a concerted attack. the president has to defend us from that. when he's not doing it, he's not fulfilling his constitutional obligations. that's the legal significance of it. >> susan, in terms of how this story is hitting, i don't think the timing is a coincidence, that as we learn about this special classification of the ukraine call and other calls with controversial leaders, it comes out that this too, maybe not in the same way, but this too was kept extra quiet. relevance? >> absolutely. i think what we're going to see now -- first of all, it's a lot of information coming out. you know, to a certain extent the dam is breaking as the house intelligence committee and others begin to investigate the facts around this. i think what we're going to find is that this gets to the heart of the dysfunction in the overall trump foreign policy and that this is very much a foreign policy scandal of the trump administration. the ukraine call is not an outlier. it's not some crazy exception. it's very consistent with the way the president of the united states has transformed american