that the government has to subsidize their workers? >> 95% of all the jobs that were created in texas during that decade were not minimum wage jobs. 95% of them are jobs that are paying above the minimum wage. when you have an environment where you have the tax structure that doesn't strangle small businessmen and women, you have a regulatory climate that's fair and predictable, a legal system that doesn't allow for oversuing and you put money into an accountable public school, then get out of the way, jobs will be created and good jobs. i'm talking good paying jobs in texas and it will work in illinois even. >> the majority of people who get the minimum wage are heads of households. moms and dads raising children. the most important thing you do in life is raising your children. isn't it important that we help everybody even those 5% of folks who aren't making -- who are making the minimum wage? >> the most important thing that we can do, governor, is to help create a climate where job creators know they can risk their capital, have a chance to keep as much of --