>> that would be unlikely that that would happen. >> and ray hadley also telling us that he was speaking to the gunman by the 23-year-old hostage who was inside that cafe, and he could hear the gunman in the background. he spoke with a middle eastern ak sechbt with an australian tinge. he didn't sound very rational. he did threaten as ray described it, to dispose of hostages, which is an indication that he would be inclined to kill some hostages, but there's no indication that anybody inside that cafe has been hurt. >> i was wanting to ask him, too bad that we did have to go away from him to take the news conference, which we didn't learn very much from, but what was the demeanor of that young hostage that was being kind of the filter -- >> the go between. >> -- for this gunman. >> we've been talking about whether these three men who got out first, followed by the two