contrast between these new saints, john xxiii and john paul xxii. conventionally, john xxiii on the left, john paul a hero on the right. i think they were put together as a call to unity. in a sense, we're seeing a festival of unity in rome today. >> a mirror reflection between the two living popes and the two popes that will be sainted. amara, earl? >> john and delia, we're using the words over and over unprecedented and historic. i want to talk to you both about aspects of both canonizations and how they are breaking away from tradition. john, you mentioned that the message is unity, but before we develop more into that, can you give us a sense of what we're going to see from here on out? what will we see in this canonization ceremony that's expected to last about 10 to 20 minutes? >> that's right. well, what will happen is that the vatican official who is in charge of both of the sainthood