but again, this will be one of the defining debates of our time, and certainly of this coming election. and i think that that group he is trying to appeal to and stands to grow with, which is independents and moderates, he's going to have to define and lane in terms of where he is on jobs in the post-dobbs era. >> yeah, and that, paul, he did not do that. >> no, he is a guy who does not want to live and die on social issues. he is not a right-wing social warrior. you know, ron desantis, to paraphrase joe biden, every sentence is a noun a verb and woke. just christie doesn't want to live there. i thought i was refreshing as a democrat. and i bet you there are a lot of republicans who feel that way. it's kind of like taking on trump for being too selfish, rather than to corrupt. and he did, he almost had it,