chris christie saying the opposite. look, i stand by the second amendment, i'm personally pro-life, all these things. but let me tell you how i'm going to think as leader and act as leader. and it was differentiating him from a lot of other competitors. >> to that point, let's talk about the abortion question, because there is one telling moment there, he said, look, in oklahoma you can have an abortion at all, and he said in new jersey, now that's his state. they now allowed up to nine months. he was making the point that he was pro-life but the governor of a state that was, and he could support that, fine. but his point in his -- i get that it's complicated. but he's saying until the states figured out and get on the same page, there is nothing that can be done. but the reality, of course, is that you are in a state where a woman in a dire situation may not get an abortion at all. it doesn't really answer the question. >> i saw two ways. on the one hand, there's a level of humility, and it's such a stark juxtaposition to i alone can fix it, of donald trump. the person who thinks they have all the answers, we've worked in the white house, no one has all the answers. i think he was a little meekly prepared on the abortion answer. and i think he will sharpen up on it. seemed like he was leaning into a states right issue, what's right for oklahoma doesn't have to write for new jersey, because the answer was around a federal sort of ban.