navigate these questions and get to the heart of the question. i think you saw someone just like nikki haley in some ways who's very practiced, very rehearsed. this is not their first rodeo. and when you asked the question, who is going to be willing on a debate stage to do that not just in front of voters but to donald trump's face, i think you can see christie being able to do that. >> jamie, one of the things that's interesting also in terms of the criticisms of president trump, which were numerous and frequent, was he basically called him incompetent on the issue of immigration. donald trump didn't offer one piece of legislation that passed on immigration period. now he's blaming joe biden, calling him incompetent i think would bother donald trump more than calling him vain. i don't think calling him vain. >> loser. >> loser, loser, loser. >> loser three times. >> i think he likes being called vain. >> loser, loser, loser came out early and repeatedly.