communications, more women in the military, you name it. so i want to be in a world where this is not unique, this is not unique at all. >> but for now it is unique which means deciding whether he'll take on some of the traditional duties like part planning and holiday decorating that americans think of when they think about first and second ladies. picking the china patterns and arranging the dinners and doing more of the social aspects, do you do any of that? >> things like that we do together, my wife and i, the vice president, but because of the circumstances in which we took office and the time, really mostly focused on covid and vaccinations and just fanning out across the country to see what was going on. a lot of what i did was listen. a lot of small group meetings, hear what was happening right on the ground and bring it back