voters. they want to get involved, but they've only really seen and participated in politics at its most vitreal level. nobody gets inspired to get involved in public service by being yelled at or blasted from a podium. they might get amped up, but not inspired. and i think leadership has an opportunity especially with the younger generation to inspire them, show them that higher path, if you will, that opportunity they have to be positive, to be -- to, you know, work with the other side. >> i don't know if you've noticed but some of our leaders are not young. >> okay. that's the politically correct term. >> is it time for a new generation, a younger generation of leaders? does that make a difference? >> it's always good to get young folks that come in with energy, but you need appearance, too. when i came in as governor at 42 i was shocked they told me i was the youngest governor in new