phenomenon here is that come middle of january, this viral blizzard that i've talked about, we are going to see 20%, 30% of health care workers getting infected, who will then be off of work in a health care system that is already stretched to the point of breaking. so i think that we have a combination of the events about to happen in january. more transmission, yes, less severe cases per population, but overall more in absolute numbers because of the increased transmission and health care workers who are not there. >> when you talk about the viral blizzard, i was thinking about it this weekend and wondering are we in the midst of it right now? you still think that is yet to come? >> it's still coming. what you're seeing right now is delta. remember right now, there was not another delta virus transmitted in this country today, the cases we're seeing are already in the books, baked in. these are people who are infected who will get ill or are ill and after a week or two become seriously ill and then die. remember right now the vast