>> absolutely. >> is that spying? >> it's not -- it's illegal surveillance. it's not court authorized surveillance. >> whatever legal surveillance means -- illegal surveillance means, they did it. so all this stuff that they didn't illegally surveil trump's campaign. they did because they had no legal basis after the january 2017 data dump by the russian guy to believe that the dossier was reliable. they amounter exculpatory information in june of 2017 that would have further proven that carter page is not a russian agent and he was actually working with the cia. let me ask you very directly. do you believe carter page is or ever was an agent of the russian government trying to do harm to his country? >> i'm going to refer to the evidence we found here, which is that if i'm going to read this. >> thank you. >> they, the fbi, and at the end of these fisas, told us that
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