interview for this investigation have not been willing to voluntarily submit to interviews. so now what's been happening is by escalating it like this, they're now allowed to subpoena some of the folks, and that's generally what's happening now. we don't know, really, if there's something else that has occurred here, but it is an escalation. and certainly, we should note, it comes at a time when, obviously, the president is under intense pressure, a lot of attention surrounding the impeachment of the president. so you know, some folks wondering whether this is just a quince din coincidence that this is coming out at this time or if this somehow gives some points to the president with this announcement. >> and we can imagine that folks in those two very different areas will be spinning it as they want to. >> yep. >> shimon, appreciate it as always. thank you. let's dive into this deeper. former prosecutor and cnn legal analyst elie honig is with us. first of all, set it up here. as we learned from shimon, when you move to this criminal investigation, you have the subpoenas, now you're compelling people to talk, so they have to